Religion revisited!! :angered:

segelov · Experienced Member

Religion revisited!! :angered:

claudine · Moderator

Hey sege (I always think, 'sedagive'...quick....what movie...oh sorry, wrong place)

I've been avoiding religion as a topic. Alot of people conveniently find 'God' as they get closer to the 'big day'. Funniest thing though, my parents both thought of themselves as religious, hell, (oops) my mother was a freakin' saint as far as she was concerned. My father had moments where he screamed his frustrations out,'why can't i be God?' like it would make a difference in what he would do? He was doing whatever he wanted to already. I can pretty much say that it's no longer part of my life.

My boyfriend in college had a great moment at the door one morning, A couple knocked and asked if he had seen S*t*n (no triggering, please!) He said, 'No, but if you come back in an hour, he should be home by then.'

c

Sorry if I offend.

Growing roots and wings · Veteran Member

You had me at "Abby"; but didn't you have that hump on the other side Claudine?
(Sorry, wrong section too...)

Back to the subject:
I had a girlfriend in high school who had been raised a really strict Catholic. One day she was at home when the 'converters' came to call. So..., she invited them in, and then proceeded to argue theology with them for half an hour!!!

They left shaken, almost running down the front steps as she put it, and never called in her neighbourhood again!

Moral of the story - never try to argue the bible with a good catholic girl!

michelle · Senior Member

Segelov,

I am a Christian. I do not believe God planned are life to have all the abuse.I believe in FREEWILL we have the choice to make our life what ever we wont it to be.

For some they do find comfort in GOD.And they are able to use God through there healing process in life. Through what ever they may be going through. We all have a different understanding of God. Who is to say how someone else views God is wrong.

I use a therapist to help me with different issues in my life.There are people out there that think that is wrong. But it works for ME. So if God works for someone I am happy for them. I am in know way going to be ugly or mean to someone for there view on God. I do not think thats what God represents God is LOVE.

Example- I have a child I see in my work who has been abused. She just moved to a new foster home this family does not attended church. When I seen her the other day she said I wont to go to CHURCH. She finds peace with God and I am happy she can. So to her God does make things better.

Michelle

segelov · Experienced Member

Michelle

I envy you your ability to believe.

If there is free will where is this free will for the victim of abuse? the free will can only be applied to the abuser. So in this system the abuser has free will bestowed on them by God, what about the victim?

And if God is love where was he when we were all abused?

Sorry makes no sense.

michelle · Senior Member

Segelov,

This is my concept of God I will try to explain. I do not believe God controls how we live or think thats what I call freewill. Our abusers had the choice to abuse so thats what they chose to do we also have that choice. But many of us choose not to.

I tell my children you make all your own choices in life. I feel my kids were lucky in life they got great parents. I do not blame God that I didn't. Because I believe in the here after when Jesus comes back Know pain and suffering. I truly believe some people are a little more lucky in this life.My kids are in that category.

I do spend my life helping abused children. I know I have a passion for helping them because I was abused. I did not ALLOW my abuse to DESTROY me. I had the FREEWILL to change it.

That is just my personal concept of God.

What does not kill you makes you stronger.

Michelle

HAVOCA · Trustee

Hi Michelle,

Your comments are very interesting. I agree that what ever works for one person is great. But you mention you did not ALLOW the abuse to DESTROY you because you had the FREEWILL to change it. How did you change it? Are you able to share with us?

I certainly have a lot of freewill. I'm independant, outgoing and confident (some would say arrogant ). I still allow the abuse to hurt me though. Not because I'm letting it win but because I want to acknowledge the harm it has done. I know in myself that this is the right way to be. Is your opinion that you have totally 'got over' your abuse, or do you still carry around the pain and hurt. How does it work for you?

Hope you feel able to share,

Jamie

michelle · Senior Member

I wont to comment on this but I have to take my son to guitar lessons 50 miles to the next town.

Later Michelle

michelle · Senior Member

Jamie,

I am going to do my best to answer your question.

All the abuse I suffered as a child I would not allow it to control me. I have always did the opposite of what my mother said I was. So I guess anger or hate gave me my determination in life I was going to be the best person I could be. Sense my mother thought I was worthless. No need to go into all that.

I always felt if I gave into her lies I would be defeated and she would win over me. And she would have victory. And I would not allow her abuse to have victory over me.

So thats what I call freewill it was up to me my choice to not let the abuse control my life. I was very driven head strong what ever you wont to call it.

I was so busy with life one day I realized the anger and pain was gone I don't know when it happened it was just all gone.

I would not give her the satisfaction of ruining the rest of my life.

I took my LIFE BACK I WON she didn't. And that was always my goal.

I do not know why but there is no pain or hurt.

I'm ok I am truly a SURVIVOR

And been through this I can help children I knew from a young age I would do that one day. Maybe it is true life makes us what we are. But we have the power freewill what ever you wont to call it.To become something great in LIFE!!!!!

Thats how I somehow survived abuse.

Michelle