the post 'to die or not to die' has been removed iaw with our rules found in the Main - General Section.
To clear up any confusion here's a quick resumee.
HAVOCA Message Board Rules
The Cardinal Rule
No suicidal posts or threats of Self Injury are allowed. We all know how difficult this healing process is, but it is unsafe for others (and makes them feel helpless) if anyone posts a suicidal or self injury note . Repeat offenders will be banned from posting.
Talking of feelings is OK.. i.e. talking of feeling desperate or despondent.. Talking about ACTIONS is NOT OK. i.e. talking about suicide plans etc. These posts will be removed for the safety of all. If you are suicidal, call a support person.
Behavior - Discussion is expected to be "in the spirit" that encourages further discussion. All discussion is expected to be in an uplifting, encouraging, supportive, and caring manner, which does not personally (directly or deliberately inferredly) insult other individual participants. It is okay to express feelings you experience in regards to relationships, but it is NOT OKAY to directly or indirectly attack another person, whether that person is part of this forum or not. These kind of statements take away from the feeling of safety.
Sorry Jamie I must be being thick. I still have trouble understanding things sometimes. Is it OK to say/hint that sometimes I feel suicidal. I try to make it in the past when I do it and don't use the actual word. Also is it Ok to say someone is responsible for the abuse/neglect or is that 'attacking' and so unacceptable?
Thanks, you've raised some pertinent points that do need clarifying.
You shouldn't refer to suicide as an action, and only refer to it as a feeling if it is in the past tense. For example 'I may commit suicide if this doesn't get better' is banned. It's OK to mention 'I felt suicidal, or I had suicidal thoughts'. You should refrain from saying you feel suicidal, because that places the burden onto other people. Some people may feel they then become responsible for you. We have to try and protect everyone.
Attacking the abuser is absolutely fine AND EXPECTED! LOL.
Thanks Jamie. If I get it wrong please tell me. (I'm sure you will anyway) I don't want to stress out others or be chucked off. I still have trouble with handling making mistakes after years of trying to be perfect (& still being blamed).
Sorry to be thick again. I'm not used to PC speak. What does LOL mean? Is there a translator onsite or elsewhere.
I cant speak on behalf of anyone else...but your post didnt offend me. I honestly dont think its about offending anyone, so please dont feel ashamed (which is easier said than done i know). How you feel is real, and there is no shame in that. However In real life support at such times is the better option for you, and i do hope your able to access some.
I hope you wont be to hard on yourself and take care,
jem - never be sorry for expressing how you are feeling as many of us can understand why you would feel like this. i hope you are feeling better than you were before and in a more of a fighting mood, dont let the bastards win. is swearing allowed, am i in trouble to? oops ! take care always mate xxx
Please do not punish yourself you did not offend us but what Jamie does is protects us all because some things can trigger others. Believe me I have been where you were many a times and most probably will be there again so stop beating yourself up and I will look forward to your next post
I gave myself a break for I have migraine out of worrying about each and everyone of you. Now it seemed I missed something and it is about suicide?
I was there and I was very depressed then, and now I think I was in a moment of deep weakness. If you think about it how strong we are having been through hell as children then adult. I am not a quitter, and if each of you search deep inside you will find a non quitter personality. Just keep reminding yourself how strong you are. Everyone has a moment or two of feeling down and I mean those who lived normal life and they say there is no way out and whine, but we know we are as strong as a rock which may get worn out with age but who does not. If my body gets old and weak my soul will still be strong and good news only now I feel my head getting rid of the migraine.Told you so, I'm a rock.
please know that you are amongst friends here, as already said, your feelings aren't offensive,just deeply concerning which is why i believe jamie removed it from our sight.
i have been where you are, to such a level, if my daughter had notbeen in the next room, nothing would have stopped me. you have in the past offered me support, i want you to know i will listen anytime, at the moment, things are hard for me too, so i log on regularly, i have found so much support here i didn't think it was possible.
please take care of yourself, please keep talking and this level of pain, will, in time change to a lesser more copeable (not sure thats a word) level.
you are worth it, you will fight, and i want to see you write again! (hope that wasn't too harsh)